angel said: That statement was unrelated to PSU members. I was just trying to point out that often what is seen on PSU is an extremely skewed version of reality. We don't usually get a clear picture of sites here because we see all of the complaints and accusations and insults, much of which has to do with posters' attitudes rather than the sites themselves, but what we DON'T get here is all the people who are successful on a particular site, KNOW how the site REALLY is, and could help others achieve similar success and contribute to growth and stronger futures of sites. There is a lot of 'tearing down' that goes on around here when there needs to be 'building up' in it's place.

You certainly ARE talking about the members because it is the members who make up PSU. You are talking in circles.

innerpuppie wrote (View Post): › You certainly ARE talking about the members because it is the members who make up PSU. You are talking in circles.

You are a totally unreasonable, illogical, and confrontation person. My first statement referred only to people who ARE NOT HERE as in we don't get a clear picture of sites here because most of the people who know how the sites really are DO NOT COME HERE. I can see that you just get your jollies from picking fights with people, so I will refrain from responding to you any further. You can tango with someone else. I don't have time for you.

I agree with you Angel,

I know when I get going on here for hours, that is hours I could have spent doing more productive things at times. That goes for any sellers on any forum. At least you showed where your mouth is. It seems others just want to demean any logical sense made on forums.

WE DO NEED TO HELP EXISTING SITES GROW BY COMING OFF THE WALLETS A BIT. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE EXPECTING SOMETHING FOR NOTHING. DOES ANY BUSINESS BECOME SUCCESSFUL IN SUCH A WAY?

For those who are waiting for a site like feebay, where you just add your auction and they do all the work, you better pack your lunch, several for that matter!!!!!

dlrane wrote (View Post): › WE DO NEED TO HELP EXISTING SITES GROW BY COMING OFF THE WALLETS A BIT. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE EXPECTING SOMETHING FOR NOTHING. DOES ANY BUSINESS BECOME SUCCESSFUL IN SUCH A WAY? For those who are waiting for a site like feebay, where you just add your auction and they do all the work, you better pack your lunch, several for that matter!!!!!

I couldn't agree with you more. At Wagglepop, we do pay $29.95/month to sell on the site. In return for that, we get what I feel is the most effective site online to build a business on. It takes a LOT of money for a company to build and maintain a great site with great customer service. Free-to-list sites don't have the funds to provide that. They'll either remain at a lower level, or eventually shut down because it ain't worth the effort to deal with sellers' demands. Sites that charge will be a lot smaller than sites that don't because fewer sellers want to pay (forgetting that their most valuable asset is their TIME), but sites that charge will at least have a fighting chance to provide for their sellers' needs, stay in the game long-term, and build for the future.

Angel, you gave me my laugh for the day.

CuFF wrote (View Post): › As predicted, here's Metzy to recruit more founding members for Fain. This isn't OLA, Metzy... The only thing that disappears here are your posts after you delete them. How come Buyer111us doesn't sell at OLA? He sells at ebayUK and ebid. Doesn't he believe in OLA? How much have you earned hawking founding members for Fain? Are you guys seriously going to pay for half the advertising of OLA even though you already pay a monthly fee to list there? You don't even have what's already been promised. I don't have a problem with you being a fool for Fain, but don't expect everyone to sit idly by while you suck more people into his game. Ain't gonna happen, not here.

I'm not recruiting anyone JA...

What Buyer does or doesn't do is his business, not mine. I do not run (or stick my nose in) his business because it's HIS. And a lot of sellers at OLA sell in other places...

I have never earned a dime 'hawking' Founding Members for anyone. As far as paying for advertising, what I do with MY money is MY business. I do not pay a monthly fee to OLA for anything.

I came to check in and make sure my post was still here. It didn't take you very long to attack did it? I didn't come to cause trouble... but apparently you're still the bitter buttinski who can't mind her own business or let anyone else have a point of view or a moments peace.

Good Job JA!!!

JA? Jackass? Hey, I'm not supporting Fains lifestyle in the face of repeated failures, you are. I'm just here to tell you, it's going to be difficult to recruit more victims for Fain at PSU. Too many people who have already been victimized post here. This is where they come after they discover that OLA is going the same place it's always gone, nowhere.

METZYMOM wrote (View Post): › Just checking in. I see that my thread is still here. Good!

METZYMOM wrote (View Post): › I came to check in and make sure my post was still here. It didn't take you very long to attack did it? I didn't come to cause trouble... but apparently you're still the bitter buttinski who can't mind her own business or let anyone else have a point of view or a moments peace.

I have to agree with Cuff on this. It is easy to see that a post exists without actually typing a reply to give it a bump.

I wouldnt try to tell you what to do with your money but speaking for myself, if I was paying fees to a site I wouldnt expect to have to contribute additional money for a "fundraiser" to put more money in the site's coffers.

For a site owner to say "OK, you want advertsing, no problem, you pay 50 percent of the cost" seems a bit like passing the buck and it begs another question, who will ensure the money is actually spent on advertising and ensure that the owner is kicking in his pledged share? With all of the history I have heard on this subject, I do not think the site owner can be considered a reliable or neutral choice.

METZYMOM wrote (View Post): › CuFF wrote (View Post): › As predicted, here's Metzy to recruit more founding members for Fain. This isn't OLA, Metzy... The only thing that disappears here are your posts after you delete them. How come Buyer111us doesn't sell at OLA? He sells at ebayUK and ebid. Doesn't he believe in OLA? How much have you earned hawking founding members for Fain? Are you guys seriously going to pay for half the advertising of OLA even though you already pay a monthly fee to list there? You don't even have what's already been promised. I don't have a problem with you being a fool for Fain, but don't expect everyone to sit idly by while you suck more people into his game. Ain't gonna happen, not here. I'm not recruiting anyone JA... What Buyer does or doesn't do is his business, not mine. I do not run (or stick my nose in) his business because it's HIS. And a lot of sellers at OLA sell in other places... I have never earned a dime 'hawking' Founding Members for anyone. As far as paying for advertising, what I do with MY money is MY business. I do not pay a monthly fee to OLA for anything. I came to check in and make sure my post was still here. It didn't take you very long to attack did it? I didn't come to cause trouble... but apparently you're still the bitter buttinski who can't mind her own business or let anyone else have a point of view or a moments peace. Good Job JA!!!

It is well known that many of the cheerleaders received free Founding Membership so they could have a store. Fain also gives away features to keep people from leaving - this I know for a fact.

I was really upset by last night's radio show - he finally admitted that no rss and his goal is for 1 million FM. Half of the time the discussion was on FM. What really ticked me off was him saying we have to do our own promotion - I have spent over $300 promoting OLA and I refuse to spend another dime. How dare he say that ebay is not advertising on TV now - their name is known. Overstock advertised until they were known.

The funny thing is that he wants auctions but I was told the only things selling were FP.

He and Dave are both great salesmen - more like used car salesmen.

PS - Between you calling people JA and hoping their house falls on them and callmemomo telling buyer to "F" off the both of you make great examples.

CONFUSED WROTE:

Quote: › It is well known that many of the cheerleaders received free Founding Membership so they could have a store. Fain also gives away features to keep people from leaving - this I know for a fact.

I am not one of those who received free membership or anything else, with the exception of the perks that come along with a Founding Membership. What's more, I don't know anyone who received what you are saying. Even if it did happen, or does happen, it isn't any of my business and it sure isn't any of your business.

PATCHDOG WROTE:

Quote: › For a site owner to say "OK, you want advertsing, no problem, you pay 50 percent of the cost" seems a bit like passing the buck and it begs another question, who will ensure the money is actually spent on advertising and ensure that the owner is kicking in his pledged share?

Chris Fain did not ask for his supporters to pony up the money for advertising. We volunteered. We also have someone in the AD Game who has volunteered to help with the advertising... someone who doesn't work for OLA. There is nothing wrong with us volunteering to help pay for advertising... or even doing some major advertising ourselves.

If I had a B&M business, I would have to pay for my own advertising. I see no difference here. Again, I state that is isn't anyone's business what I do with my money. I CHOOSE to help the site by offering a few bucks for advertising, which will help support my business.

Keep paying eBay thousands of dollars a year for listings. Keep paying eBay thousands of dollars a year in FVF's. Sure, they advertise for you, but if I can pay $96 a year to list anything and everything I want, and if I CHOOSE to add $10 a month to help out with advertising, I think I'm getting a pretty good deal. I'm investing in myself as well as the site. I have the right to CHOOSE to do that.

OnlineAuction.com works for me. I do very well there. Sure, I have to work to get my name out there, but I think anyone with a business, or at least anyone who wants to be successful at ANY site, needs to put in some work... and yes, even money at times.

Listening to the radio show shows you're interested in OLA. Are you interested because you are trying to figure out what you did wrong when you were there? Are you interested because you see that OLA is coming along and will indeed be eBay's biggest contender? Are you interested because you're trying to better your business? Or are you interested because you have nothing better to do on a Thursday night? Are you interested in it because you can just pick and choose which words you can twist? Are you interested because once you pick and twist those words, you don't think anyone from OLA is going to try to set the record straight by giving the whole story?

CONFUSED WROTE:

Quote: › PS - Between you calling people JA and hoping their house falls on them and callmemomo telling buyer to "F" off the both of you make great examples.

What makes you think JA meant jackass? Get your minds out of the gutter. You'll figure it out if you just give it some time. And I may have missed it, but I don't see where CallMeMomo posted in this thread anywhere telling anyone to F off... and as for hoping their house falls on them, that is pretty much out of context to what I said and why I said it. It isn't even what I said... just in case someone is wondering... what I quoted was a line from the Wizard of Oz... where Glenda tells the Wicked Witch of the West to buzz off... that quote must have really hit home because you guys drag it out every time you don't like what I've posted... and just once, I'd like to see you quote it correctly and in relation to what was happening at the time I used the quote... of course that wouldn't make you look very good, would it?

PATCHDOG WROTE:

Quote: › I have to agree with Cuff on this. It is easy to see that a post exists without actually typing a reply to give it a bump.

Am I not free to post here, on my own thread? Cuff had no reason to post other than to attack, and she makes it very clear that no one from OLA will post here without harrassment:
CUFF WROTE:

Quote: › I don't have a problem with you being a fool for Fain, but don't expect everyone to sit idly by while you suck more people into his game. Ain't gonna happen, not here.

In your own words... some example.

I didn't come here to try and recruit anyone. My siggy doesn't include my code and I make no mention of it at PSU, or even on the OLA chat boards. I came here to make sure my thread was still here... to make sure that new visitors see it amongst the bitterness of those of you who couldn't make OLA work for you... or those who got booted from OLA for whatever reason.

Why isn't there room for both sides of the story at OLA? Why can't the OLA supporters post how well OLA works for them without one of you coming in and attacking? Is my original post so terrifying to you, so truthful in it's wording, that you can't just let it be? Are you afraid someone might go over to OLA, sign up, and be successful, therefore disproving what you say here? There are a handful of bitter people here and thousands of happy sellers there... but the bitter ones here bury any positive posts over here...

There is room for everyone's opinion here at PSU. Even mine. I don't post very often anymore... why can't you let me post in peace? What are you people afraid of? You harrass OLA supporters when they post, and even worse, when they aren't even here to defend themselves. Again, in your own words... some example.

Now LET ME BE!!!

The problem isn't with positive threads about OLA being buried. There just aren't very many positive threads about OLA here. You and a couple of others bully people right off the OLA boards. Then, you think you're going to follow them over here and continue the process. When you meet with resistance you cry foul. You sit around badmouthing this site, its owner, its members and then you expect everyone to be gracious to you? What planet are you from?

Don't you have a business to run somewhere? Imagine the money you'd be making if you spent your time listing instead of complaining about a site you weren't successful at!!! It boggles the mind!!!

As for why OLA members don't post here? Take a look down the forum to see who last posted on each thread... No one wants to post because you guys take over the thread and berrate the poster until they leave...

Confused wrote (View Post): › He and Dave are both great salesmen - more like used car salesmen.

Maybe more like snake oil salesmen of old.....

After all, occasionally you might get a functional
previously owned vehicle from a salesman of
used cars

Confused wrote (View Post): › Between you calling people JA and hoping their house falls on them and callmemomo telling buyer to "F" off the both of you make great examples.

Yep, shining examples of the "best" at OLA......lol

METZYMOM wrote (View Post): › No one wants to post because you guys take over the thread and berrate the poster until they leave...

And yet....... you just can't stay away.....

No one wants to post because you guys take over the thread and berrate the poster until they leave...

That's simply not true Metzy. It's no more true than the idea that anyone who complains about OLA is unsuccessful as a Seller. The Sellers I've seen come here, after experiencing the wrath of over-zealous OLA cheerleaders, have stayed. You know what reeally boggles the mind? The way you regularly throw up false accusations in some lame effort to look like a victim.

Yup, keep beating that dead horse everyone.