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PostPosted: Sun Jan 08, 2006 7:39 pm   Post subject:  Kaqoo #1  Back to top 

Hello,

There has been some discussion going on in various threads about Kaqoo and what it is and does.

Kaqoo is in beta-testing but will be released soon. Kaqoo is software to create a large network of auction sites. Kaqoo is patent applied for.

I trust this will explain the concept.

1. http://www.kaqoo.com/kaqoo2/client/index.php

This is an auction site anyone can use, just like eBay. To buy and sell.

2. http://www.ubiz.ru/kaqoo/index.php?

This is an auction site using the Kaqoo software which has chosen to display all items which appear on Kaqoo.com

If you check you will see they are the same on both sites.

3. http://kaqoo.net/beta/index.php

This site is an auction using the Kaqoo software. It takes the "Automotive" part of Kaqoo. All listings on this site appear on this site and on Kaqoo.com

Check them and see! Just change the category in Kaqoo to Automotive and see them all there.

Any item, listed on any site, will show up on another site in the Network which has chosen to display the same category. i.e. List a car on number 1 and it will appear on 1, 2 & 3. This is because they all show the category "Automotive".

List in the category "Antiques" on 1, it will also show on 2, but not on 3, because 3 is not subscibed to the category. 3 only wants to show "Automotive".

Kaqoo is designed for auction sites to specialize in their chosen field or fields.

Each site is run independently but will show each others listings so that buyers can see and bid for an item at any site in the Network which shows it. All bids show on all sites. It does not matter where the bid comes from, the winning bidder and the seller are both informed about the sale and complete the sale personally. Kaqoo are not involved in the selling process; exactly like eBay.

If you would like to try it, go to 1 and use this user id and password:

User
Newuser

See if your bid appears on the other site/s.

If you wish to list items, please do.

Kaqoo.com will always show all listings from every site.

Kaqoo is designed to allow each auction site to "own" their customers. The site owner can set their own auction fees; or not set any at all. The site owner will deal with any questions from their users. The site owner has complete control over their site.

A site owner can list any items on the Network for free.

Kaqoo is designed for everyones listings to receive maximum visibility across a Netwotk of many smaller sites as well as on Kaqoo.

Please ask any questions in this thread. I shall try and answer each and every one.

Best regards

Alan


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 3:15 am   Post subject:   #2  Back to top 

Alan,

Now that makes sense! BTW - I have told more people in tech positions exactly what I told you in the other post and they have been amazed at how easy it is to find the words to express what they want to others.

If you tell a tech person to put things in layman's terms, they think it means all in tech. And you explained better then I could have.

Thank you!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 4:21 am   Post subject:   #3  Back to top 

Hi zacksavenue,

It makes sense because I could use pictures! Things are much easier to understand when seen in action.

The odd thing is that I am not a techie by any stretch of the imagination, I can only just find my way around a PC; my PDA is incomprehensible to me! My 7 year old son can use it though without any problem.

What I do have is brilliant Technical Heads and programmers who are able to map my thoughts (not easy) and then re-arrange them into a sensible solution.

I must admit I have revealed more information than I wished to give out, but sometimes these things must be done.......

I trust it will provide a better understanding of Kaqoo for folks.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:18 am   Post subject:   #4  Back to top 

For as long as I can recall on this site ... people have been talking about how we must band together, we must, absolutely MUST support ONE site only in order to compete with ebay.

Sometimes it's support the top three sites (that's the exercise we're doing now ... this, too, will likely be another exercise because of the diversity of the group.)

The point remains ... we have to work together to do it.

Seems to me like kaqoo is a way to work together whilst maintaining autonomy.

Get the exposure without giving up individuality.

Yes, your customers may decide to purchase something listed on another site ... but that just means we all must be that much more better good at how we list.

So a question arises.

Are there any options for an individual seller (not site owner) to participate on kaqoo?

Up till now, has anyone else tried this same thing? Bonding sites together?

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 10:11 am   Post subject:  Re: Kaqoo #5  Back to top 

Thats a much better explanation, thanks Alan.

Few questions, largely centred around the understanding at least 3 reasonable size auction sites will sign up to kaqoo (which has to happen and is a sensible growth plan for it all).

1. If any average seller from around the world can sign upto kaqoo for 10$ a month, list theyre products for lower fee's than ebay in a huge marketplace, why isnt there far more emphasis on this? Its the main aspect to kaqoo, and the main thing that puts it on a par with ebay in terms of global trading in a huge marketplace.

2. In connection with point 1, theres far too much emphasis on individual sites and such, and its clouding and confusing what kaqoo can do and how it will work. Its still not totally clear to me, but I'll go ahead and ask the following question which may or may have it wrong, but a answer will hopefully clear it up regardless.

Why would a seller want to have they're own site with a 100th of the customer base and marketplace size, pay vastly higher fee's, when they can just pay much lower fee's, and have theyre product shown to millions in a huge global marketplace, much like with ebay, or with the standard kaqoo site?

3. If say yahoo, ebid, and another sign up, will all of their products on their entire databases then show up on kaqoo?

4. What is the incentive for auction sites to sign up if your not a big site with loads of customers, and more so then them?

Plus, with a large cut from they're profits being shared with kaqoo, it makes it even harder for it to be worthwhile or attractive to many sites. With a 50% cut of theyre profits taken by kaqoo, kaqoo would need 100% more paying customers than their own site just to break even with profit levels on their own, and vastly more to make it worthwhile.

5. If 3 reasonable size auction sites sign up to kaqoo (which must happen) then what happens with sellers and fee's. Can people just sign upto Kaqoo, and pay a standard basic kaqoo fee, then profits are distributed between kaqoo and the auction sites?

6. With attempting to bring together as many auction sites as possible (has to be the sensible growth goal) there is a huge amount of legal and other complications to all of this. eBay for example be they involved or not will cause problems, throw theyre weight about, try to stop some things, make other things difficult. Other sites wont agree to work in certain ways, adhere to certain things, amounts of money, margins, other politics.

Its basically akin to getting 3 of the CEO's and managers of the top 10 supermarkets, tempting them all into a room, then saying all theyre products will be shown by you, and theyre going to adhere to your rules. You have right there, deep politics, legal problems, and mayhem, in and out of that room.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:17 pm   Post subject:   #6  Back to top 

Hi grannysuze!

grannysuze wrote (View Post): ›
For as long as I can recall on this site ... people have been talking about how we must band together, we must, absolutely MUST support ONE site only in order to compete with eBay.

Sometimes it's support the top three sites (that's the exercise we're doing now ... this, too, will likely be another exercise because of the diversity of the group.)

The point remains ... we have to work together to do it.

Seems to me like kaqoo is a way to work together whilst maintaining autonomy.

Get the exposure without giving up individuality.


Yes exactly! Individuals joining together can make a difference without losing their individuality.

I would love to say, "Kaqoo is the way", but it is not my decision, it will be the decision of yourselves. But I will try to influence you because I believe it is the right way to go.

grannysuze wrote (View Post): ›
Are there any options for an individual seller (not site owner) to participate on kaqoo?


Kaqoo is like any other auction site; you sign up and buy and sell, exactly the same as eBay. Kaqoo is open to individuals, Mom & Pop and to corporates, we are non-discriminatory! However I would love to be just back to the old eBay, the huge garage sale, where one could find a bargain! But it ain't gonna happen!

In the same way, an individual can list on any other site and also be shown on Kaqoo.com and throughout the Network.

grannysuze wrote (View Post): ›
Up till now, has anyone else tried this same thing? Bonding sites together?


Kaqoo is unique. This has never been done before.

I trust this helps.

Best regards

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 12:51 pm   Post subject:   #7  Back to top 

Grannysuze,

I was just discussing this with my hubby last nite and I had told him that I believe that Kaqoo will be the ultimate wave of the future to take down Greedbay.

The manner in which this is going to run and be set up will combine the efforts of quite a few sites to come together and provide a much needed united way of pulling buyers and sellers into one giant community of auctions.

I also believe that Kaqoo has the right idea as far as how to do this. Don't know if Alan had thoughts of this before it actually started in the making, but if he did, he is following the right track.

I have also agreed that uniting the sites together would put an end to Greedbay but never stated it before. Mainly because I could not see a large number of people doing this with all the conflicts of ego that it would have started. But with the Kaqoo, it offers a solution to that if everyone joining, starts fresh into the project.

JMO Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:03 pm   Post subject:   #8  Back to top 

Hi Nipper,

I can see you are going to be a hard taskmaster!!

Nipper wrote (View Post): ›
1. If any average seller from around the world can sign upto kaqoo for 10$ a month, list theyre products for lower fee's than ebay in a huge marketplace, why isnt there far more emphasis on this? Its the main aspect to kaqoo, and the main thing that puts it on a par with ebay in terms of global trading in a huge marketplace.


I have not yet said what the fees on Kaqoo will be, nor will I! It will be announced when we are ready.

When sellers, owning websites, join Kaqoo I am sure they will provide the level of service required by buyers and sellers. It is better to have committed individuals in a small community , who know their customers, rather than outsourced employees in a far-off country. This has been one of the main gripes on this site.

Individuals listing on Kaqoo, or through the Network, will be able to buy and sell of course, this will not work without them! They will be valued as much as any other user, whether a powerseller or a corporate seller.

Without wishing to be secretive, I have to be! I would love to tell you all our plans, right here and now, but that is just not possible. However when I am able, I shall do so.

Question 2 seems to contradict question 1 so I shall leave it aside.

Nipper wrote (View Post): ›
3. If say yahoo, ebid, and another sign up, will all of their products on their entire databases then show up on kaqoo?


Yes.

Nipper wrote (View Post): ›
4. What is the incentive for auction sites to sign up if your not a big site with loads of customers, and more so then them?


I have not said they would; that is your presumption. However, in one of the cases you have mentioned, I believe it would be in their interests to do so. The only possible incentive for other auction sites to join is more users and more profit.

Nipper wrote (View Post): ›
Plus, with a large cut from they're profits being shared with kaqoo, it makes it even harder for it to be worthwhile or attractive to many sites. With a 50% cut of theyre profits taken by kaqoo, kaqoo would need 100% more paying customers than their own site just to break even with profit levels on their own, and vastly more to make it worthwhile.


I disagree with your figures. We do not take 50% of their profits, we share the revenue 50/50. There is a huge difference. Revenue has to cover overheads before there is a profit, the two are completely different. Increased business and increased sell through generate increased revenue and hopefully profit. (Kaqoo cannot possibly know a sellers profit as we do not know their costs). There are also many other factors to take into account beside direct expense, but this is not the place to discuss them, nor will I, again!

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5. If 3 reasonable size auction sites sign up to kaqoo (which must happen) then what happens with sellers and fee's. Can people just sign upto Kaqoo, and pay a standard basic kaqoo fee, then profits are distributed between kaqoo and the auction sites?


You are presuming again!

Kaqoo.com will not distribute fees from their own site. That is akin to asking Google to share their profit with their publishers after paying them a fair rate! At least Kaqoo is more transparent than Google; no-one knows Googles %age share.

Kaqoo provide content, site owners distribute the content and we share the revenue 50/50. Kaqoo do not ask to share in the sites sales proceeds!!

Nipper wrote (View Post): ›
6. With attempting to bring together as many auction sites as possible (has to be the sensible growth goal) there is a huge amount of legal and other complications to all of this. eBay for example be they involved or not will cause problems, throw theyre weight about, try to stop some things, make other things difficult. Other sites wont agree to work in certain ways, adhere to certain things, amounts of money, margins, other politics.

Its basically akin to getting 3 of the CEO's and managers of the top 10 supermarkets, tempting them all into a room, then saying all theyre products will be shown by you, and theyre going to adhere to your rules. You have right there, deep politics, legal problems, and mayhem, in and out of that room.


Fortunately we have people on board with much larger brains than I and much more experience in that field than I could ever possibly hope to have so those issues, luckily, are left to others.

Best regards

Alan

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:06 pm   Post subject:   #9  Back to top 

zacksavenue,

We live in hope!

The idea originated 01:05:40 PM 3/20/01; that was the first ever post throwing this idea in the air. There was not an ecstatic response! The idea has always been in the back of my head since then, but other commitments intervened. I am now in a position to spend more time with what has become Kaqoo and I feel it is one of the most productive times of my life. (how sad is that!)

I truly believe that this is the right thing to do, profit is more evenly distributed between all the players and I can hold my head high when I walk down the street!

There is much more to come. Watch this space!

Rgds

Alan

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 09, 2006 1:51 pm   Post subject:   #10  Back to top 

Thanks Alan. Hey I don't mean to be a taskmaster, but you are presenting something very big here, and its only natural it being a huge thing, people ask questions. I genuinely am excited by this and I whole heartedly applause and support you. However, I know and have seen great idea's fail, and want to get a full idea of how it will work, to assess where this is going, how much I want to be apart of it and help, and such forth.

It affects all the kind of action talked about in previous topics regarding auction sites, because this could well changed everything. However, could is not will, so people need to get a good idea before contributing, planning, working towards other auctions sites becoming more popular/the online auction industry being fairer, and better.

The answers are very good and I thank you.

1. This is a huge fundamental thing to the whole picture, of which you must have an idea to give others. I respect you don't want to give out all details, but literally an estimate could change things totally for many sellers, and for the amount of people that want to get behind this. What was the $10 a month estimate about in a previous topic/faq for example? If this was roughly what sellers all around the world would be looking at then that seems competitive.

However, if its more like 50$ a month, or has confusing %'s, final amounts, insertion fee's and more, it isn't anywhere near as competitive, and changes everything. So at least an estimate, or tip is not much to ask and would be good.

4. With due respect, it is not enough for a business before launching, to say we do not know large sites will sign up (that make it all what it is), but its in their interests to do so.

That is just far too high a risk and unknown. You must have at least 2-3 reasonable size auction sites to begin with a foundation, to get anywhere with this, otherwise it will simply never expand to be big enough, worthwhile, or anywhere competing with ebay.

You depend upon auction sites believing in what your doing and wanting to be a part, and agreeing to the terms and conditions, prices, ins and outs. Thats a huge thing that kaqoo fundamentally relies on.

You need a business plan as to who you are first targeting (assess who best first), you need all the why's and hows thought of, and then approach these sites professionally with a compelling case and reason to join kaqoo.

On the second part of 4, perhaps my figures are not as accurate as it first seemed I apologise. However, its not hugely far off, really. You are saying to sellers, list your items in a huge market just as with ebay, simply, low fees, successfully. Or, have your own site, items still appear there, but we take a much larger chunk of your profits. The balance isn't quite right and needs addressing.

Thats all I'm going to say. It's trying to help you and kaqoo, I and we all want to see it suceed, but the best decisions and ways to do it need to happen for it to be a success, of which I'm sure many want to help with.

5+6. Fair enough, we can only trust you have this all in hand and are doing the best, most suitable things possible.

Again, thanks Alan, this does seem great and exciting, its just a case of people getting a better idea of what were looking at here before we all just scream yeeeah and run with it before knowing the ins and outs;)

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:14 am   Post subject:   #11  Back to top 

Hi Nipper,

Thank you for your words of encouragement.

I appreciate that you would like to help and we also would be happy for you to do so, but there is only so much that can be done by people outside the core team.

Kaqoo needs assistance with translations, for which we already started the project. Please see here:

http://kaqoo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=8

Outside of that we will of course need to spread the word. As you have previously mentioned, you have worked with "SpreadFirefox". I regard the project highly. For those who do not know, Firefox had been around in another guise for several years before an integrated effort managed to release what ultimately became Firefox browser. BTW The Omidyar Foundation are a huge supporter of Firefox.

No-one can compete with the eBay marketing spend, $400M with Google alone. Please do not ask me to compete with that..... It is not viable, not for Kaqoo nor for ANY other company; anyone who thinks otherwise is, frankly, living in dreamland.

There is a different way to let the world know about Kaqoo and it will not be Kaqoo who spend money doing it. Like SpreadFirefox, the word about Kaqoo will be spread by the people, users who use it and find it worthwhile. Initially there will be a low take-up, but slowly, word will spread about a viable alternative and eventually (I hate myself for saying this) the "Tipping Point" will be reached and Kaqoo will spread globally.

Kaqoo are providing the BEST auction software in the world, of that there is no doubt; it is light, quick and easy. We will also provide the easiest auction site to use anywhere. The rest is up to the users.

I would be very pleased to support efforts to initiate a SpreadKaqoo campaign. Perhaps you may wish to lead it? I am sure you would find others here who would be willing to help you.

Spreading the word about Kaqoo is high on our list of priorities but we will not be spending vast amounts of money doing so. As I have said before it will be the word of the people.

We shall continue to provide the best software, the easiest venue and to ensure a better deal for buyers and sellers; that is the Kaqoo mission. Outside of that we are at the mercy of others!!


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What was the $10 a month estimate about in a previous topic/faq for example?

That is the amount site owners will pay for Kaqoo software rental. This will apply to USA & W.Europe.
Nipper wrote (View Post): ›
If this was roughly what sellers all around the world would be looking at then that seems competitive.

I disagree, that would be much too much in say India.
Nipper wrote (View Post): ›
4. With due respect, it is not enough for a business before launching, to say we do not know large sites will sign up ...
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otherwise it will simply never expand to be big enough, worthwhile, or anywhere competing with ebay.

You depend upon auction sites believing in what your doing and wanting to be a part, and agreeing to the terms and conditions, prices, ins and outs. Thats a huge thing that kaqoo fundamentally relies on.

Again I appreciate your comments, but I think you are presuming again!

Nipper, you have decided on a business model which fits your criteria of what is right, it just doesn't fit ours! Please ask yourself why Kaqoo would join with Yahoo when they, Yahoo, have so few sales? I am happy to listen to all arguments.

I must also say that we would be pleased to run the Yahoo! auction business for them and would welcome any approach they wish to make to us.

Kaqoo has a set business model which will fundamentally change the way online trading works; that is why it will be successful. I can promise you that I and my team have spent many man hours on strategy and tactics. Again, I cannot and will not disclose this on this board.

Our business model has been put before our strategic partners and they are happy to align with Kaqoo knowing how we are going to achieve our aims.

You seem a very determined young man and I really do appreciate your comments here; but sometimes you may need to stop wrestling with the details and look at the bigger picture. I am talking to under 2000 people on this board, yet I can guarantee that there are already software companies and auction houses out there having meetings this morning about how quickly they can replicate Kaqoo.............

I'll leave you to ponder that!

Best regards

Alan

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:31 am   Post subject:   #12  Back to top 

Thanks for the comments Alan. They're only questions, queries, views on weak area's of kaqoo, idea's on improving it, and all in all wanting to help maximise how good it is, and maximise growth.

I've been part of a 10 person team thats been working on, designing, debating, shaping a whole new SpreadFirefox.com, which is slowly beginning to take place now by the team leader and his company. SpreadFirefox has already revolutionised marketing, because it is grass roots community marketing, and never has that been on such a huge scale, or so powerfully implemented, effective, and successful. The new site to be released in stages over the coming months will upgrade that vastly, and have loads of projects and activities, groups of people, campaigns, and more.

I'd be proud to help, or help lead something like a spreadkaqoo, but I dont thing I'm in a position to lead it completely. I'm not a web designer although I know and work with people whom are, and obviously with SpreadFirefox.com, are very good in area's like large stucture building, organising lots of people, lots of content, projects and such some of which may well be willing to contribute, or take on a short term contract or something, I dont know. I think there's a huge amount to be gained here Alan, literally, I cant stress how much potential lies in this, especially when your not able to compete marketing wise with ebay and the likes.

Two heads are as good as 3, because idea's bounce between both. Now times that by hundreds and thousands. You wouldnt believe how many projects and ideas come up and are so effective. Many of which recieve press, and ones that arent press specific, so it would build the whole thing hugely, and take it into new grounds it could not otherwise have dreamed of.

Its clear many people want to see fairer, better priced, better online auctioning, and people would get behind, support, and contribute to helping it succeed. You wouldnt believe how much of a difference that can make, it would no doubt turn out to be the largest factor to growth and success.

Because when hundreds of people explain and promote a service to hundreds of other colleagues, friends, family members, companies, you then have thousands of happy new members whom would not otherwise have come to the service. When those thousands then tell thousands and in bigger places, your looking at tens of thousands, then hundreds, its not long before your looking a millions of new users whom have derived from word of mouth, community marketing round the world.

It shows that when you have a good product in a key area a good product is really needed and wanted, people will help it happen. People coming out in their numbers contributing to and supporting a product, site, service, is more powerful than MS, Google, eBay marketing. However, it cant work in all industries and markets, and its not easy. No one would have believe the internet browser would be one to spread to millions of people in this way, a new better online auctioning service is certainly another.

Even then, community support, contributions, marketing is not all it takes. Larger marketing, tactics and more always play a part to whatever level, and directly effects how the world will percieve and know about you, if thats non existen, or a bad, tacky perception, it wont progress.

Most of your comments are good and re-assuring, of course nowhere is it said you have such a large team, you've thought of all these things, which is a little odd, but understandable.

I'm more and more convinced of how right kaqoo is and will get it, by the minute, seriously Alan, but at the end of the day the proof of the pudding is in the eating, thats just how everything works, especially business, and especially vastly more so things like this.

After that, I'm going to make a constructive point with respect on a key aspect, and I hope you take it constructively and in good heart. Comparing the site to just about any large site of its nature be it auction site or other, kaqoo does seem vastly behind in content and design.

Now thats to be expected especially from a beta. However, content wise it appears a basic site map structure has not been decided, and there's no evidence of a basic good layout and structure to the site and what will be its huge amounts of content. So basic things like my kaqoo, help forums, todays feature auctioned, todays featured sellers, todays featured sites and more. What are the plans here because it appears thats not being built up from the roots!?

Also lacking is a consistent, unique design, brand, colour scheme, or anything that makes kaqoo kaqoo. Colours, backrounds, layout, style, logos, and more are vitally important, and I wondered if you could take that on board or at least more so, and shed some light, make some comments.

Again this is exciting, I want this to work in principle, I'm sure many do and you, the principle is great, but there's a lot of constuctive analysing, scrutiny, appraisal, and more thats very important in the whole process to coming up with the best in all area's, and thus doing and achieving the best. Much respect.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:29 pm   Post subject:   #13  Back to top 

Hello Nipper,

This is starting to look like a private conversation between you and I..............

I am very pleased to hear your comments about Spreadfirefox; it was a brilliant campaign.

I agree, (at last) you are exactly right with your comments.

I would like to address the latter part of your post first!

Design.

I have no idea what makes a good design! Things I like other people hate and vice versa. So Kaqoo will launch with whatever my programmers decide to use that day! It is not that I don't care, it is because users haven't yet told me what they like! But how could they, we haven't launched....

If someone has a great design which our users want to use, we will use it. Simple as that. See here:

http://kaqoo.com/forums/viewtopic.php?id=11

(But do you know, I like the idea of the design changing without warning!)

Auction site owners who wish to change the design to match their own site have no problem, everything is written in css and easily changed.

Featured sellers on the home page and all that stuff, no, forget it, no one cares! It is put on by auction site owners to try and keep their sellers; there is only one thing which keeps sellers, RESULTS! They want to sell things, that's all!

Nipper, I am going to upset you here; I don't mean to, this is my view and you can take it or leave it; I have always been contrary.

Branding, image, logos, typefaces, colors, layout, style....................

I don't care about those! Too many books trying to tell you what to do and too much marketing mumbo-jumbo. Books are written by authors. "Those that can, do. Those that can't, teach."

Marketing.......

That means, put in words what I am trying to sell. Fine! I prefer to let users use the words because they can sell it much more effectively.

All folks want is a site which is quick, easy to use and which works without fail. Kaqoo provides that.

This may be the time to take these issues to a separate forum where it is dedicated to developing Kaqoo, rather than in this space. You may want to start one here or within a private space.

I would be delighted if you decide to start a SpreadKaqoo project and would support you as much as possible. Just let me know what you would need.

Regards

Alan

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:39 pm   Post subject:   #14  Back to top 

Alan, my mother always said "Hire the teenager while they still know everything." You better hire Nipper before he becomes too jaded by life.

Nipper, please don't take offense by my callng you a teenager, but you are barely out of your teens, and you have brought up some good points.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 5:12 pm   Post subject:   #15  Back to top 

Heh, I'm 23 in a few months, pretty old, but I appreciate the comments, thanks;)

I've worked in advertising and business development, and in community marketing efforts such as SpreadFirefox, so I certainly try to make solid constructive points to better something, and certainly something we all want to see succeed.

Alan all answered pretty much and hopefully widely, openly people are learning things, taking things on board.

Marketing, design, branding, colours, style are seriously important for any site, shop, company, thats just fact, you have to accept that. Its true by tenfold for sites that sells and markets goods.

I take your point and agree the emphasis is a little lower for kaqoo and your right to put a lot of emphasis on functionality, service and more, but the 2 go hand in hand like it or lump it, and it would be a great shame for one to let the other down, and hold the growth and success back. Changing designs is a novel and good idea, but its a fatally flawed one for the site and service to succeed. You must start to acquire some kind of identity, colour, logo, otherwise its going to be very confusing, no one will remember it, think its professional, take it seriously and more. If you dont have an identity at least in an industry, you have nothing.

So I urge you to think about this, and comment by return after a long think about it. I'd really hate to see kaqoo fail because of this, and I'll guarantee you, it will fail if you neglect all of these factors. I'd happily help in these area's, advise, and try to get key people to help, volunteering or paid, because its just fundamental to a successful a site.

I'm meeting with the team leader of the SpreadFirefox team whose been working on a new SFx site and structure. He runs a company that develops software, writes sites, programmes and more. He and just 2 colleagues actually completely re-wrote from scratch www.SpreadFirefox.com as you see it now in the space of a week, which is incredible.

If you look at the bottom of the site it says maintained by Glaxstar and thats his company. They've completely begun afresh product wise too in light of working closely with Mozilla, producing extensions, child browsing protection, and theyve worked on other big corporate ones. Anyways I dont want people flooding to him or shout about it all too much, so leave it to me and I'll see if either his company, or people/companies/designers he works with/knows. I'm sure he'll also know people in the industry whom would be good too!

Anyway I'll speak to him with regards to this as its fairly similar, a new great site and service and such that needs much of the same kind of help, attention, work, expertise to make it great and spread it to the world. I'm seeing him on thursday night and he's putting me up in a hotel overnight, so I'll let you know on friday or sat!

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