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I Found this on another site written by an ebay employee
 
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Terris_Treats
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:24 pm   Post subject:  I Found this on another site written by an ebay employee #1  Back to top 

I found this on another site posted by A[size=18]This is the item I found on another site that I thought all you folks should get to see if you haven't already saw it. I was right they are trying to rid ebay of us smaller sellers and the DSRs are one of their tools to do so. So here it is:nonymous. It was posted on the seller central discussion board 5/4/08 by someone who claims to be inside ebb management… this post was pulled byebb moments later. Note: When you see them saying "I" that's not the admin of this site, it's the author of the post.

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I posted this at the feedback forum at eBay but it was killed by staff less than a minute later. I should have known. My ID will be toast soon anyway. This was the only other place I thought where my statement might have an impact. Do with it what you will. After Chicago, my only desire is to be heard.
There will be those who will not believe me and I sympathize. I wish the facts were fiction but to deny what I know would be to live in a fairyland of make-believe. I understand that the bulk of this “manifesto” reveals a plot so against the spirit of ebay that it will be dismissed as lie. So be it. I cannot force the world to accept it. All I can do is state the truth as I know it and leave it to you and to your common sense and experience to judge.

The deck is stacked against me. Aside from the natural resistance to believe I know that the boards are stocked with eBay’s tools. Their goal will be to discredit me. I will be accused of being a “disgruntled”, “paranoid”, and “emotional” seller. Their words will be specially chosen for effect. That is part of the function of the tools and I am not fazed by it. However, to protect my own identity within the corporation, I cannot be too specific lest the details single me out to the powers that be.

What I intend to reveal is common knowledge to many in the management division behind the scenes.

By the way, the tools are not only the mouthpieces that promote the policies. The psychological tactics employed by the powers that be are far deeper and grander than that. The subtlety of the method is remarkable. The tools come in a wide range of flavors with their own, individual “characteristic” rhetoric. From those who are “for” the policy - and spread various degrees of hostility toward the sellers - to those who are “against” the change - and spread panic and further the divide with the buyers. Both serve the same exact purpose: a manipulation designed to remove the more involved and savvy small to large sellers who will not fit into eBay’s future business plan.

First, let me correct the record regarding the concept of sellers extorting positive feedback. While the violation was known to happen, the activity amounted to less than a tenth of a percent of the yearly transactions. Further, it involved sellers whose feedback percentages were below 80%. The absolute majority of sellers did not engage in such practices. Nevertheless, the powers that be could not resist the fact that promoting this notion of feedback extortion as a wide-spread phenomenon would be the perfect cover with which to hide the true intentions of the policy.

The powers that be want to transform eBay into an overstock warehouse venue. A kind of outlet store for the internet much like a cheaper and streamlined version of Amazon. From a strictly business point of view, given the size of eBay and the growing costs of doing business, it makes a certain kind of sense to shift gears. Think about it: when eBay started, sellers were about rare and unique items but here and now the majority of items are common, used counterparts of what can be found new online at retail sites. Truly rare and unique items are sold at real auctions; the “stuff in your attic” isn’t glamorous enough and won’t keep eBay afloat any longer.

The trend away from the rare and unique to the big box retailer is not new. Several years ago the powers that be noticed that the big “powersellers” were simply listing items that existed in their retail stores or inventories. Thus the concept of “buy it now”, “best offer”, and “eBay stores” were created. It was the nascent stage of the plan yet to be. Little by little, without the population noticing, the mechanisms required to replicate the average retail storefront were already in place - and with its rise came the slow, steady downfall of the auction format.

Yet outright pursuit of a retail venue would have led to a major problem that at the time could not have been surmounted. The vast majority of people, on and off line, know eBay as precisely the place for auctions of rare and unique items. The sellers and buyers held onto that perception too but in truth their opinion even involvement in new and improved version of eBay is irrelevant by a certain Machiavellian calculation made by the powers that be. As part of the plan, eBay calculated thus: even if they lost the sellers as part of the change, the buyers will be coming back to buy regardless of who or what operated within the retail-outlet venue.

No, it was the stock holders who the powers that be feared.

Only the stockholders had the power to change the direction set forth by the CEO and the board. So it became imperative to change the equation. Part of the plan is to devalue the stock gradually so that investors merely dumped the stock as opposed to wanting managerial change ala Yahoo. Then to buy back the stock at lower cost and to such a volume that no rebellion against the powers that be were possible.

By the end of July that phase of the plan will be successful and there est of the plan will be revealed without fear of backlash from those who otherwise would have had the power to pull eBay back from the brink. Indeed, if you believe the current changes are obvious signals that small sellers are not wanted - be prepared - you have seen nothing yet.

So far what have they done? All they have managed to do is silence a seller’s ability to warn others about buyers (half of the purpose behind the original idea of feedback), burden you with higher and higher fees, dangle “treats” like discounts while setting the bar of eligibility so high that the rewards cannot be reached. and, by the way PayPal deals with “complaints” leave you vulnerable to fraud. What if worse was yet to come?

They know if you do not feel safe that you will not use eBay. The changes that have been enacted only eliminates the small sellers. Meanwhile they want to eradicate the mid-sized seller too. And they want to ensure that both do not return.

For the mid-sized seller the DSR became the tool of choice. The powers that be raised the level of what is a good seller artificially high. No manipulation is required; they know exactly the effect of the policy. This is why buyers are told that 4 is a good score and sellers are told that 4.9 yields discounts and higher listing placements. As long as that fractured point of view exists, eBay does not need to interfere with the DSR as has been suggested, the buyers will be killing the sellers naturally.

By August there will be no pretense and the intentions of the new and improved eBay will be clear. The following is only a partial list of the rules that will be imposed. It comes from a memo that circulated within my corner of the managerial department the week before Chicago. I cannot be too specific about certain items and I cannot reveal details of the latest additions without endangering my anonymity.

1. Neutrals will be converted to negatives complete with red icons and reduced feedback scores. Afterward neutrals will not be offered as a choice of feedback.

2. The entire process of feedback will be automated. Buyers and sellers will chose standard feedback from a list. For sellers this operation will be performed automatically upon the buyer winning. For buyers there will be an extra free line with which to add a few comments about the seller without restriction to content. Replies will not be allowed.

3. The implementation of a stricter rules regarding shipping. From the boxes, packing, labels and tapes to where you can buy postage. Orders have been placed for prototypes of “eBay” boxes. UPS and FedEx will be instructed not to accept “eBay” merchandise if it’s not inside “eBay” boxing. They will know, of course, because when sellers buy the “eBay” postage from the “eBay” source, a detailed list of contents with item numbers will be available to the shippers upon scanning a bar code. As for those who continue to use USPS, another level of quality control will be implemented - buyers will be asked, upon confirmation of delivery, if the seller used “eBay” standard shipping items. Naturally, no verification of the buyer’s truthfulness will be attempted, and continued ‘infractions’ will result in suspension. eBay will have other ways to check if a seller is not using the “eBay” equipment - as they will be required to buy at cost the supplies immediately after items are listed. (This is such a large scale operation behind the scenes that I feel comfortable sharing as much of it as I know.)

4. Sales taxes will be included automatically; shipping cost and sales taxes will be used to determined FVF.

5. Item descriptions will be “standardized” with templates which include the posting of a new, universal return policy. Only yearly subscribers to the retail-outlet venue can opt out of these universal return policies but even they cannot alter the template structures being devised.

6. Strikes against buyers will be eliminated as the whole concept of a buyer and bidding will be altered. FVF will be calculated when payment is submitted.

7. Time to Close will be eliminated entirely. Best Match will be the non-alterable default. Best Match is a system that caters to the needs of shoppers not bidders.

8. Placement within Best Match will be determined by several factors, the most important of which will be the extra display features added onto the listing.

9. DSRs can be removed by retailers and powersellers who pay a certain yearly fee.

10. The end play itself which consists of four phases:
a) the main focus shifts to retail sellers whose fees are on a per listing basis
b) stores will be replaced by a classified section, fees will be based on yearly subscriptions and FVFs
c) occasional auctions will be conducted for unique items (celebrity auctions, items that have been featured on the news, etc.)
d) total elimination of auctions for regular sellers.


From the point of view of eBay’s agenda to change gears these alteration make sense. The powers that be want to turn eBay into a retail venue format. Therefore the “buyer” must be changed - bidding and commitments to buy are part of the past. In a retail venue, the item is either in your cart or not and you only commit to buy when you pay at checkout. The seller is also redefined in the way they will be required to do business. They will be forced to copy the methods of retail stores.

The goal is to become Amazon Lite. Unlike Amazon the merchandise will be stocked by the retailers in their warehouses, eBay will be just an electronic centralized venue for outlet sale - a “trusted” name with a wide customer base and popular name recognition.

That is the future and as I write this I know that it cannot be stopped. There are no investors with enough clout and will to challenge the CEO. Stock holders will simply walk away. eBay will not sink, however, it will be exactly in the position its rulers intend it to be at.

Sellers, my advice is simple. You are not wanted. Leave. If you stay, you will be crushed. Leave. Go away. You cannot win.

I am sorry because for too long I have been a complicit tool behind the scenes. I was part of those teams and think tanks that spearheaded many of the “innovations” you know very well and which will be used to destroy you. I know I will not be believed. I will be mocked and ridiculed by the tools and even those who are real, actual people will be hesitant to accept what I have to say. What has been done to this community, the plots and schemes hatched in meetings and across memos, is far, far worse to endure within my soul than any treatment I will receive at the hands of the tools by posting this. You do not know how much they hate you. It is my conscience that I want to clear going forward. Again I apologize. There should have been a better way for the powers that be to effect the change they wanted for eBay - instead they succumbed to cloak and dagger deception.

RIP eBay [/size]

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 9:57 pm   Post subject:  Re: I Found this on another site written by an ebay employee #2  Back to top 


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skydragon
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 10:04 pm   Post subject:  Re: I Found this on another site written by an ebay employee #3  Back to top 

If they manage to pull off #3, you know they are going to take over the world.
Do you think they will start implanting chips in their chosen sellers?

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Terris_Treats
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2008 11:18 pm   Post subject:  Re: I Found this on another site written by an ebay employee #4  Back to top 

they make me sick. We all made them what they are today and now they are greedy bastards who could care less about the people that put them where they are, disgusted

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:24 am   Post subject:   #5  Back to top 

Great article. I believe many if not all of the ideas you present are currently be planned. I've seen the signs towards this progression.BTW, I'd be surprized if this post maskes it past a day. All of my "tell all" posts end up deleted by moderators. I'm not sure why but know it happens. Guess PSU isn't all about getting the truth out there. lol... Good luck.

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barrella
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:40 am   Post subject:  Re: I Found this on another site written by an ebay employee #6  Back to top 

This is what confesses me.
On eBay for the most
The seller is the buyer.

If the seller can not sell then they will not buy.
Since eBay have changed to the lets beat the seller into submission I stopped buying and I have stop selling really now.
I do not think I am the only one, so who will buy?

Dose eBay think Wallmart will buy on eBay.
If I do the math,

Cost to put on ads
Final value fee’s
Paypal only fee’s
Forced incorrect low shipping costs controlled by eBay
Controlled eBay shipping boxes etc.
++++++++ = too expensive.

So you have a group of large scale retailers paying to sell on an overpriced venue that has no customers. Well if I was a large scale vendor you know what would say to eBay as is page views and sales go down.
“No thanks. I will rely on my own web site at the moment”

Also I am not a trader but I am fairly sure that the board of directors of any floated company has a responsibility to the stock holders. If what this person is saying is true that the eBay board is on purpose devaluing its own stock for its own plans then I believe this is called insider trading and even a conflict of interest. I am sure there are many many holders of eBay stock that would want to take them to court extremely fast. This could even be classed as fraud or theft as the purposely devaluation of a investors stock can not be right, can it?

Finally is it not black mail to say
If you do not pay us we will let anyone and everyone post comments about your company that may effect your businesses. It’s like a news paper saying to a restaurant we have a set of bad reviews about your food which we will print unless you pay us then we will not print them. I really would like to know what the legal stance of this is.

Merry Christmas eBay Evil or Very Mad

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 4:54 pm   Post subject:   #7  Back to top 

I absolutely believe this post is the real deal. I
believe ebay is trying to push us out. And if we do not stop supporting ebay with out buying, then they will push us out and still have a successful venue.

Some how we need to get the word out to our buyers that there are other places besides Ebay.

Something classy that will attract buyers. Ebay is on the Radio's and Tv . I wish that one of the selling venues could start to advertise.

I want to let my customers know that there are other places besides ebay but I haven't come up with the correct form of doing that.

And after reading this, I know for sure I need to get my other store moving. But so far no sells there to help motivate me to list more.



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:44 am   Post subject:   #8  Back to top 

I think there may be some truth especially when it comes to dropping stocks, and them buying it back cheap. Thats kind of obvious! I hate ebay as much as the next guy, but ebay mandated packaging? Gimmie a break! It is clear to me they want the small seller out, and the goals for DSR's are not reachable without considerable loss. Its a game! Sign this petition to get rid of JD

http://www.petitiononline.com/jdonohoe/petition.html

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 9:22 am   Post subject:  Re: I Found this on another site written by an ebay employee #9  Back to top 

Come on folks, deep down inside we all know what the truth is. Until there (if ever) is a major shake up in management the small seller is headed out the door. Don't keep your eggs in one basket. Get working on finding an alternative site that will work for you or start your own. Good luck to all.

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PA-Antiques
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:17 am   Post subject:   #10  Back to top 

It doesn't really matter if the post is absolutely real - all the signs point to some of this being true anyway. However, I find the part about shipping supplies and a complicity on the part of UPS and USPS is a little hard to swallow.

The best advice is what most of us do anyway whether or not we still sell on ebay- diversify your selling.

For those who've established an alternative web presence and are working hard at it, if ebay does go totally fixed price then we probably will be in a position where we won't need them. Many of us already don't feel that we need eBay.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 12:13 pm   Post subject:  Re: I Found this on another site written by an ebay employee #11  Back to top 

Right on the button PA. Diversifing is the way to go. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. Better than waiting and hoping for something to change.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:05 pm   Post subject:  Re: I Found this on another site written by an ebay employee #12  Back to top 

Yeah, this is pretty much ancient news - this alleged employee msg is months old - and it's obviously full of inaccuracies. This was discussed in detail on this forum months ago.

I thought that it might of been done by an ebay employee who really wasn't "in the know" at all - just an employee who had heard a lot of rumors buzzing around. So instead of separating the stuff he really did know from the stuff "he heard", he mixed it all together into one big mess.

Not a lot of credibility here, but it's mostly irrelevant anyway.

I just judge ebay by what they actualy DO - and that's more than enough to piss me off.

Of course you should diversify - you should of been doing that over the last 4 or 5 years. You should have your own website. I don't mess with all the wannabe's any more - too much time wasted over the years on them. Most fail and disappear, while my own site grows and moves up on the search engine rankings.

Spend your time, effort, and money on your own site.

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